Navigating Today's Complexities: An Intentional Conversation with Dr. Carleen Carey

Nika White • July 8, 2025

Dr. Nika White recently had an insightful conversation with Dr. Carleen Carey, a distinguished educator with 15 years of experience in K-12 and higher education, specializing in diversity, equity, and inclusion. Dr. Carey, who currently teaches literature at the University of Maryland Global Campus, brought a wealth of knowledge and a unique perspective to various pressing topics. This engaging dialogue, characteristic of Dr. Nika White's flexible approach, allowed for an organic flow, exploring critical issues impacting our communities and future.


From Global Tensions to Local Realities: Addressing Pressing Issues

The conversation between Dr. White and Dr. Carey touched on significant political issues, including concerns about leadership disconnects and the implications of recent legislative changes. They expressed concerns about how international conflicts, even those far from home, directly impact everyday Americans, notably through rising gas prices. This segment underscored the interconnectedness of global events and local realities, reminding us all of the broader forces at play in our daily lives.


The Heart of Education: Challenges, Equity, and Hidden Histories

Dr. Carleen Carey's passion for education, rooted in the rich cultural heritage of Black women educators, shone brightly throughout the discussion. She reflected on her background, including her impactful role in managing the agriculture program at Baltimore City Schools, which provided hands-on learning experiences and highlighted the healing benefits of nature. Dr. Nika White engaged with Dr. Carey on the significance of emotional regulation and community support within educational settings.


The conversation deeply explored educational challenges, particularly those exposed during the sudden shift to remote learning amidst the pandemic. Dr. Carleen highlighted the significant inequities faced by students with disabilities, emphasizing the urgent need for adequate resources and comprehensive teacher training to accommodate diverse learning needs. They also discussed immigrant families' challenges adapting to the American educational system.


A fascinating aspect of the discussion involved the "Hidden Histories" initiative. Dr. Carleen shared her aim to educate individuals about underrepresented historical narratives, focusing on Native American history. Dr. Nika White praised the initiative for addressing the lack of comprehensive historical education and the need for open discussions about these crucial yet often overlooked perspectives in American history. Both speakers acknowledged the profound significance of understanding diverse perspectives for a more complete historical understanding.


The Ethical Frontier: AI, Literature, and Critical Thinking

The dialogue explored the complex ethical considerations surrounding Artificial Intelligence (AI), particularly its impact on education and employment. Dr. Carleen highlighted her research on Black girls' identity formation through literature and critiqued the reliance on AI in recruitment processes, noting its potential to create barriers for job seekers. Dr. Nika and Dr. Carleen stressed the importance of critical thinking and responsible AI use, particularly as students can often discern when AI has evaluated their work versus a human.


Literature emerged as a powerful tool for fostering equity and healing. Dr. Carleen emphasized how literature provides multiple perspectives, helping students recognize their limitations in understanding and empowering them to navigate contemporary issues. She shared experiences in teaching, particularly focusing on historical figures like Fannie Lou Hamer, to empower students in shaping their own narratives. The discussion truly underscored the role of diverse narratives in literature and education in helping students navigate a complex world.


Beyond the Professional: Personal Joys and Authentic Leadership

Beyond the weighty topics, a delightful moment of personal connection emerged as Dr. Carleen revealed her interest in collecting antique sewing machines, which she enjoys restoring and using. She highlighted the joy these machines bring her and shared her experiences of discovering them in thrift stores. Dr. Nika White expressed her appreciation for Dr. Carleen's passion, emphasizing the importance of finding joy in daily habits amidst challenging global events – a powerful reminder for us all.



The intentional conversation concluded with Dr. Nika White expressing gratitude to Dr. Carleen S. Carey for her invaluable insights. Dr. Nika also announced the launch of Dr. Carey's new LinkedIn newsletter, "Holy Leading," which aims to promote authenticity in leadership – a fitting end to a discussion rich in thoughtful reflection and forward-looking perspectives.


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By Nika White • October 5, 2026
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By Nika White • September 21, 2026
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By Nika White • August 31, 2026
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By Nika White • August 4, 2026
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By Nika White • July 27, 2026
Many leaders pride themselves on being available. Their door is open. Their inbox is monitored. Their phone is always nearby. The intention is usually good. But constant availability can create unintended consequences. People begin relying on immediate access instead of developing judgment. Leaders become increasingly interrupted. Everyone feels busy. Few people feel clear. Earlier in The Human Shift, When Responsibility Becomes Identity we explored how constant availability often grows from the belief that leadership means being accessible at all times. A Reframe Being available is not the same thing as being supportive. One Simple Practice Choose one part of your day where you are intentionally unavailable. Protect it. Use that time for thinking, reflection, or focused work. What This Looks Like In Practice A leader blocks ninety minutes each morning for uninterrupted work. Initially, people push back. Within a few weeks, team members begin solving more problems independently and bringing better questions when they do connect. Question to Consider What might your team learn if you were slightly less available? In the shift, Dr. Nika White P.S. What is one boundary you've been reluctant to establish?