Complex Conversations—How To Support Individuals Just Arriving To The DEI Table
Dr. Nika White • July 13, 2020
Someone earns the title of being an ally by “doing the work.” But, the process of allyship can be a tricky thing. Some people have been doing the work for a long time and some people are just arriving to the table this week.
I know this is going to be a tough topic and I’ll attempt to cover it as carefully as possible and share some perspectives. I don’t have the ultimate answers, only my perspective, and my experiences.
In the Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion space, everyone has their own style and convictions with the work we do. For some people, it is to come across intense and combative in the attempts to take down the strong and inherent structures of racism. For others, they go about it more subtly. Others sit in the middle. Everyone has their own space within this work. And I respect that.
For me, I have felt it’s so important to create a balance between saying what needs to be said (without diluting the work), while also extending an amount of grace to people who are late to entering the conversation or not quite as knowledgeable.
Because the truth is, many people are just “waking up” to racism, privilege, and structural disenfranchisement.
Of course, it can be easy and ideal to work with companies and organizations who are already “awake and aware” of the concepts of unconscious bias and systemic racism. And our work would honestly be much easier if that were the case. But, it is not. Many times, people are just now coming to the DEI conversation.
In today’s post, I want to reflect and share some thoughts on the varied approaches and responses to potential allies who are just “coming to the table.”
It Can Be Hard to Face White Privilege
The reality is that it’s hard for White people to face white privilege. I understand that. The thing is—it should not be viewed as a burden or a source of guilt, but more of an opportunity. An opportunity to make a difference, to create a more equitable world.
I do feel that the more people grow their awareness of privilege, the more there can be unintentional shaming. I believe that’s a problem, but also an opportunity in our space.
For one example, last week I was on LinkedIn and a DEI practitioner was really bashing an organization saying, “I’m tired of you organizations putting out these statements standing in solidarity of the Black community, when you don’t have anyone in C-suite level or management level who is Black.”
First of all, I get it. And they are right.
There 100% needs to be more representation at the C-suite level (and all levels) with Black people and other People of Color.
But our work is the work of progress and process.
Do we attack the organization? Or do we help facilitate them into that new future?
I believe we find ways to support them so that next year when we have this conversation, they now have BIPOC in C-suite roles and look back on these conversations as things from the past.
Another example is that I sometimes see DEI practitioners say, “OK, I’ve seen you put out these BLM statements but never once before did you do anything for communities of color. So why should we trust you now?”
Again, I get it. I do. And you are right in your hesitance to trust. But, we must extend grace in that they could be *just now* getting the revelation and the awareness towards equity. Everyone is always on their own path of learning.
That said, the lack of awareness does not exonerate us from others experiencing the consequences of our actions. This is why this work must be done and why we must facilitate the shift in the best way we can.
So even if at first it feels “just like talk” I like to ask… since they are “in it” now, what are we going to do with that?
Are we going to push them away by attacking them? Or are we going to facilitate to help create that new future? How do we support their shift into the new reality we desire?
Supporting The Change
My main goal—is that instead of demonizing people for potential and initial performative actions, how do we make sure we provide support and guidance so the change they make is real and the words they put out have weight to stand on?
I think it first begins with us really recognizing and standing firmly that “the main goal is the main goal.”
And the main goal is to work towards creating equity in society, business, and life.
The main goal is NOT to weaponize people right now or cause them to back away, but it is to facilitate them to do the hard work at its core. Where it’s not just about activity, but about impact.
For more resources and actionable tips on creating impact—including connecting your policies to your goals, conducting inclusive culture audits, and creating diversity resource plans—here’s a whitepaper I did on Activity vs. Impact: Five Ways To Boost Success In Diversity Initiatives.
Personally, I have been encouraged by the shift and how people are asking about DEI services more and more. It used to be quick requests of “I need a training” or “I need an assessment” or even “I need a way for my Black colleagues to stop complaining about discrimination”.
Now, it’s more action-oriented and people are coming to the table with a more long-term attitude after experiencing a paradigm shift around this work.
Instead of those quick requests, people are now saying:
“Hey, Nika. We need a plan that can expand over multiple years and goes over all elements of our organization so we can deliver on DEI in everything that we do.”
To me, that sounds much better and sounds like we’re making some progress. Let’s not hinder that progress because we might have to take steps back because we aren’t giving people a safe way to enter the conversation.
We Can’t Only Lead With Our Emotions
This may not be a popular belief, but sometimes we have to quiet our egos and emotions and lead with intellect.
There would be no point (and frankly no jobs) in the DEI world if we expected people to “get it” right out of the gate. And if that means the entryway into the conversation is allowing people to not be at a place where we’d ideally like them to be… then again, we must extend grace.
As DEI practitioners, we can’t come across as expecting people just to get this immediately. People have been conditioned to operate as they are and our job is to support and create the shift in their mindset and actions.
Do we attack or denigrate them? Or do we find ways to engage them and build trust—and use that trust to help shift the world?
Navigating this concept is difficult. Some people will think I’m not being true to the work, and others will agree with me.
But, we can’t just go around throwing anger, aggression, or extreme judgment at people. If people feel attacked, they’re not going to engage. Some people can have that more aggressive approach, but I think that is potentially going to diminish the efforts of the entire effort.
If we react too emotionally when doing this intense work, where our outcomes are tied to business data and results, it can hamper our ultimate goal of equity for reactivity in the moment.
This is why I say to lead with intellect first, and not just emotions.
So, How Can You Support “Newly Aware” Leaders and Stakeholders?
The truth is that now is the time. Leaders are more open than ever to take guidance from their Chief DEI officers, Heads of Diversity, HR leaders, and/or DEI consultants.
Let’s leverage that to the best of our ability. Let’s strike while the iron is hot.
As practitioners, we must be willing to go on this journey with our clients. If we’re trying to manage up with our internal stakeholders and hoping for them to immediately “get it”, it’s going to be a more difficult journey.
We are there to consult and support the shift. As people unlearn the historical, unconscious, and systematized systems of inequity, we must help them to think about some of those tough subjects they haven’t been able to broach or understand.
That said, it doesn’t mean that everyone is going to say “Yes! We’re going to do this work and do everything you said right away!” These are business leaders too and they have to make many critical decisions all the time and while DEI is critically important (and what I’m most passionate about), they have to also currently make decisions around Covid-19, the economy, hiring and firing, running the business, etc — so don’t neglect that. Extend patience to the people we are working with.
I think as DEI practitioners and HR professionals, we need to be willing to manage up and say to those C-suite leaders that right now the voice of DEI doesn’t necessarily have to be the DEI person… It has to be YOU, Mr. CEO or Mrs. CEO. You need to own carrying that banner, and all those who are direct reports will follow the lead.
I always say, “We don’t have to own the intent, but we have to own the impact.”
I think that leaders of all types are getting a taste of that… what does it mean to own the impact?
And that can be pretty heavy for people too. Many people think “I’m not the one who invented racism” and yes, you didn’t invent it, but you are benefiting from it. If you are a white person in society today, you are benefiting from the history and systems of racism. So, even if you didn’t participate in or invent the systems, you do benefit from them. So own the impact.
The Time Is Now.
I can’t repeat this enough. Everything in DEI is so complex. But, it’s time to rise to the occasion. People are open to it. It’s time to be willing to broach the conversation we’ve been holding onto for the perfect storm to occur.
Right now, this is the perfect storm.
We must not be diehard that one way is the only way. Or that everyone must be perfect. It’s just too difficult, too vast, and too complex.
Again, as I always say and repeat, we must extend grace and always focus on the long-run, ultimate outcome of equity.
We have nowhere to go but up.
The question is—how do we blend these varied approaches (where we both denigrate the current racism and biases but also create a supportive space for action) where we are doing it and then getting impact and some results?
How do we extend that grace and compassion for those who are just now open to engaging in this journey?
It’s an ongoing process that involves education, communication, compassion, and work. And I encourage you to join the shift and the journey.
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This personal anecdote beautifully illustrates how embracing new avenues, even seemingly outside our comfort zones, can be a powerful source of joy and resilience. Her heartfelt desire to create opportunities for swimming lessons, inspired by her mother's unfulfilled wish, further underscores the deeply personal motivations that can drive us. Corporate Responsibility: A Business Imperative, Not an Afterthought The conversation then shifted to the crucial role of corporate responsibility in today's business landscape. Jil's journey into this challenging yet rewarding area at Winnebago Industries highlights a significant evolution: corporate responsibility is no longer a mere compliance exercise but a strategic imperative. It's about understanding the impact on all stakeholders – employees, customers, and investors – and recognizing the intrinsic link between business success and social good. Dr. White powerfully affirmed this, emphasizing that in our interconnected world, doing good is not just "nice to have" but essential for long-term sustainability and success. Navigating Personal and Professional Landscapes: The Power of Vulnerability and Support Dr. White and Jil also bravely delved into their personal and professional challenges. Jil's journey as a first-generation college student, her experiences with infertility, and the constant balancing act of work and personal life resonated deeply. Her vulnerability in sharing these experiences underscored the importance of work-life integration and the need for organizations to acknowledge and support the holistic well-being of their employees. Her advocacy for fertility and adoption benefits further emphasizes the role businesses can play in fostering a genuinely supportive environment. The importance of having a "good therapist" was also a powerful reminder that seeking support is a sign of strength, not weakness. The Journey Within: Self-Care and the Power of Connection Jil's weight-loss journey and her upcoming bodybuilding competition were a powerful testament to the importance of self-care and pursuing personal goals. Her emphasis on having a supportive partner who champions her ambitions highlights the crucial role of positive relationships in our lives. Her plans for the next decade, focusing on impactful work and intentional rest, offer a valuable lesson in prioritizing contribution and rejuvenation. Jil's direct challenge to the misconception that one person's misfortune benefits others – asserting that "people are better together" – speaks to a fundamental truth about human connection and the power of collective well-being. Her experience caring for aging parents further underscores the need for psychological safety and trust in work environments, allowing us to show up authentically, even with the weight of personal responsibilities. Key Takeaways: Cultivating Resilience and Joy The intentional conversation between Dr. Nika White and Jil Bostick offered a wealth of wisdom for navigating uncertain times. Their insights converge on several key principles: Anchor in Values: A strong, consistently lived set of core values provides a stable foundation during turbulent times. Embrace Growth: Stepping outside familiar paths and exploring new passions can unlock unexpected joy and resilience. Lead with Humanity: Conscious leadership that prioritizes people and aligns actions with values fosters trust and stability. Integrate Responsibility: Corporate responsibility is not separate from business success; it is a fundamental driver. Embrace Vulnerability: Sharing challenges and seeking support are crucial for navigating personal and professional landscapes. Prioritize Self-Care: Investing in our well-being is not selfish; it is essential for sustained impact and joy. Foster Connection: Recognizing our interconnectedness and building supportive relationships strengthens us all. Ultimately, the conversation between Dr. White and Jil Bostick is a powerful reminder that even amidst uncertainty, we can cultivate resilience, embrace joy, and lead with purpose, both in our personal lives and within our organizations. By focusing on strong foundations, embracing new possibilities, and prioritizing human connection, we can navigate the shifting tides with greater strength and find our footing on solid ground. Intentional Conversations is a weekly podcast by Nika White Consulting that intersects diversity, equity, and inclusion dialogue with leadership and business. Click here to register to attend the live sessions each Friday from 11 a.m. to 12 noon EST. You may also search archives to view replays of past episodes, or you can listen to the Intentional Conversations Podcast on your favorite platform.
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In a recent Intentional Conversation Vodcast, Dr. Nika White sat down with the remarkable Dr. Kimberly Young McLear, a retired Senior US Coast Guard officer and the founder of Humanity Amplified. A powerful dialogue about self-discovery, the power of invitations, and the courage to challenge systemic issues unfolded. A Passion for Cars and a Diverse Career Dr. McLear, or Kim as she prefers, immediately captivated listeners with her love for a 1970s American muscle car, a passion she's held for nearly two decades. This anecdote served as a perfect introduction to her multifaceted personality. Kim's background is as diverse as it is impressive, spanning cybersecurity, academia, civil rights policy, and crisis response. She's also an internationally recognized whistleblower, a testament to her unwavering commitment to justice. Dr. White, intrigued by Kim's unique career path, delved into her journey, exploring her time in the Coast Guard and her current influential roles. The Journey of Self-Discovery Kim shared her journey of self-discovery, highlighting her naturally curious and adventurous spirit. Shaped by a military upbringing and international exposure, her interests in art and engineering led her to pursue a PhD in systems engineering. The Coast Guard provided a culture that resonated with her desire for action and exploration. The Power of Invitations and Intentionality The conversation then shifted to the power of invitations and the importance of intentionality. Kim's draw to public service stemmed from her family's education and public service background. She emphasized how art and creativity served as her lens, fuelling her later whistleblowing efforts. Dr. White praised Kim's ability to navigate diverse environments, attributing it to her innate curiosity and her mother's encouragement of varied pursuits. Kim stressed the sacredness of genuine invitations, explaining how they can lead to co-creation and abundance. This focus on intentionality became a recurring theme throughout their discussion. Facing Fears and Whistleblowing Kim openly shared her fears, including her inability to swim and her fear of the ocean, alongside her 20-year Coast Guard service, where she spent 10 years as a whistleblower. She emphasized her commitment to pushing beyond her comfort zone and embracing new experiences. The conversation then turned to her experiences as an internationally recognized whistleblower. Kim detailed the bullying and harassment she faced in academic and professional settings, particularly within the military. A personal conflict with her department head escalated, involving higher-ranking officials and culminating in a substantiated whistleblower complaint. Kim's decision to stay and fight against the toxic culture was driven by her creativity and ingenuity. She exposed systemic gaps in integrity and mobilized a movement called "Riding the Ship" to advocate for accountability and support for those harmed. Cultivating Love in Difficult Times Dr. Kim emphasized the importance of cultivating spaces of love and finding trusted relationships during challenging times. She asserted that intentional actions and strategies stem from love, not toxic environments. She shared how she strategically used her skills, reputation, and permanent teaching position to protect herself while exposing issues within the Coast Guard. She encouraged others to use their talents and reputation as a safety strategy and to build community support when facing similar situations. A Call to Action Kim's message to those feeling disillusioned within the federal government was clear: find your village, use your voice (even in silence), document, and observe the changes around you. She underscored the power of individual voices and the necessity of community support. Dr. Nika White and Dr. Kim McLear's conversation was a testament to the power of intentionality and courage and the importance of cultivating spaces of love. Kim's journey, from her love of muscle cars to her courageous whistleblowing, inspires us all. Intentional Conversations is a weekly podcast by Nika White Consulting that intersects diversity, equity, and inclusion dialogue with leadership and business. Click here to register to attend the live sessions each Friday from 11 a.m. to 12 noon EST. You may also search archives to view replays of past episodes, or you can listen to the Intentional Conversations Podcast on your favorite platform.
In a compelling and insightful conversation, Dr. Nika White recently welcomed guest co-host Tommi Paris , a seasoned Diversity, Equity, Inclusion, and Belonging (DEIB)consultant with an impressive 15 years of experience across diverse industries. Tommi, who also boasts a former NCAA Division One women's basketball referee background, immediately brought a unique and engaging perspective to the discussion. Adding a touch of personal flair, Tommi shared her passion for pickleball, encouraging everyone to try the increasingly popular sport. However, the heart of their dialogue delved into the rich intersection of Tommi's journey in basketball and her profound work in DEIB. From the Court to Cultivating Change: Tommi's "Brutiful" Path Tommi eloquently traced her path from playing basketball at Furman University to the world of officiating and, ultimately, to her impactful career in DEI. A recurring theme in her narrative was the power of saying "yes" to opportunities that resonated with her identity and values. For Tommi, both officiating and DEI work are deeply personal endeavors fuelled by a commitment to fairness and creating inclusive environments. She offered a powerful reflection on the emotional landscape of this work, using Glennon Doyle’s term "brutiful" to describe the inherent paradox of doing work you deeply care about, which can be both incredibly rewarding and, at times, profoundly challenging. This honest acknowledgment resonated deeply, highlighting the emotional labor often involved in driving meaningful change. The conversation naturally transitioned to how Tommi's experience as an NCAA basketball referee has shaped her approach to conflict resolution in her current role as a DEIB consultant. Navigating Chaos: Parallels Between Referees and DEI Practitioners Tommi drew a fascinating parallel between the role of a referee and that of a DEI practitioner. She emphasized the referee's ability to absorb the inherent chaos of a basketball game and strive to create a sense of calm and order. She argued that this ability to navigate complex emotions and high-pressure situations is strikingly similar to the work of DEI professionals. Key skills honed on the court, such as understanding underlying needs and values, validating different perspectives, and seeking closure even amidst disagreement, are directly transferable to navigating challenging conversations around diversity and inclusion. Tommi shared a personal experience of collaborating with a DEI leader who held differing viewpoints but consistently demonstrated respect and acceptance, showcasing the potential for mutual understanding even when perspectives diverged. Building a Foundation of Trust: Psychological Safety and Growth Mindset The discussion then explored the critical elements of fostering inclusive and productive environments. Dr. White and Tommi underscored the importance of acknowledging and respecting differences without judgment, emphasizing the leader's role in creating psychological safety. This safe space allows for risk-taking, open dialogue, and the crucial practice of navigating difficult conversations effectively. They stressed the need for leaders to be vulnerable and willing to take risks themselves to cultivate a culture of trust. Expanding on this, they delved into the significance of cultivating a growth mindset within organizations. Shared learning, humility, and the operationalization of DEI at every level were highlighted as essential components. Tommi advocated for a shift in performance management, focusing on managing performance rather than solely output. Dr. White echoed this, emphasizing the need for upskilling leaders and establishing clear expectations and consequences for inclusive behaviors. Both agreed on the necessity for organizations to be more intentional and specific in their DEI strategies. Addressing Status Differences and Embracing Organizational Readiness The conversation further addressed the often-overlooked issue of status differences within organizations and their impact on inclusivity. Dr. White and Tommi stressed the importance of leaders taking risks and demonstrating vulnerability to disrupt existing power dynamics. They also highlighted the delicate balance between implementing programmatic activities and driving fundamental institutional change, particularly in industries resistant to transformation. The importance of implementing effective "level one" strategies to build buy-in and support for more impactful initiatives was also discussed. Finally, they tackled the crucial aspect of organizational readiness for change. Understanding an organization's current state of readiness and anticipating potential resistance are paramount for successful change initiatives. They emphasized the need for ongoing conversations about readiness, not just at the outset of a significant change, but periodically to assess progress and adapt strategies as needed. The conversation concluded with a powerful call to action for leaders to commit to the principles of inclusive leadership as a driver for high performance and effective collaboration. This intentional conversation between Dr. Nika White and Tommi Paris offered a wealth of valuable insights, blending personal experiences with expert knowledge. Tommi's unique background as a basketball player and referee brought a fresh and compelling perspective to the complexities of DEI work, reminding us that the ability to navigate chaos, foster trust, and embrace the "brutiful" truth are essential skills for leaders committed to building truly inclusive and equitable organizations. Intentional Conversations is a weekly podcast by Nika White Consulting that intersects diversity, equity, and inclusion dialogue with leadership and business. Click here to register to attend the live sessions each Friday from 11 a.m. to 12 noon EST. You may also search archives to view replays of past episodes, or you can listen to the Intentional Conversations Podcast on your favorite platform.
It was clear from the outset that this wasn't just another professional dialogue. The warmth and genuine connection between Dr. Nika White and Diya Khanna were palpable, setting the stage for an insightful and deeply resonant conversation. Dr. White, setting the tone, affectionately introduced Diya as "not only just a colleague, but she is a friend. She is a sister in the work," highlighting the strong rapport they share in the vital field of Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion (DEI). Dr. White provided a compelling overview for those unfamiliar with Diya's impressive background. With 20 years of experience spanning profit, non-profit, and the tech industry, Diya is a global DEI Speaker, Facilitator, and Consultant. Her significant accomplishments include her pivotal role at Amazon, where she led CORE+ (Conversations on Race and Ethnicity), an annual internal conference that reached a staggering 1.3 million employees. Diya's expertise lies in developing DEI programs, strategies, and policies at scale, crafting global work plans for 14 employee resource groups, and leading crucial discussions on the future of work through an intersectional lens. Her mission is clear: to increase access and opportunity for individuals across a comprehensive spectrum of identities, from race and ethnicity to gender identity, accessibility, sexual orientation, and beyond, in every professional industry. Diya, grounded in her experience as a DEI columnist for the Seattle Times, a board member of the Asian at Amazon Global Board, and her appointment to the Seattle Women's Commission in 2018, brought a wealth of knowledge and a deeply human-centered approach to the conversation. Her academic background, including a Bachelor of Journalism and a Master of Education with a focus on curriculum development, further solidifies her expertise in this space. Stepping into the conversation, Diya immediately addressed a crucial aspect of DEI work: the importance of community and collaboration. "I'm so glad you brought this up," she began, acknowledging the various perspectives and competencies within the industry. Her core belief resonated strongly: "I believe that we all bring various competencies, various skills, various lived experiences, and we're stronger as a group and as a community." This wasn't just a platitude; it was a foundational principle for the discussion that unfolded. Diya emphasized that the strength of the DEI movement lies not in individual brilliance but in collective effort. "Rather than looking at how well we show up individually, we'll never be able to do it all, right?" she wisely stated. Highlighting the complementary nature of their skills, she acknowledged Dr. White's exceptional ability to convey the importance of humanity, relationship building, and community across diverse audiences. "We're not in competition with each other, right? We're here collectively. So, let's uplift each other, and let's also be aware of where perhaps our weaknesses may be, and lean on each other so that we can lift together." The conversation delved deeper into the nuances of collaboration, with Diya underscoring the value of respectful challenge in their partnership. Drawing on the concept of "safe places of discomfort," she highlighted that growth often occurs when individuals are willing to engage with differing viewpoints in an environment of trust and mutual respect. Diya also brought her perspective as a Canadian, emphasizing how different cultural backgrounds can enrich the DEI landscape. "Another difference that you and I have as a Canadian, I bring a different lens. And what I've experienced being brought up in Canada may be different than what you've experienced being brought up in the US. An Asian woman, a Black woman, there are so many differences. So, instead of disregarding those differences, let's bring them all to the table." This call to embrace diverse perspectives and center on shared values was a powerful reminder of the inclusive nature of effective DEI work. Key Takeaways and Next Steps: The intentional conversation between Dr. White and Diya offered valuable insights for anyone engaged in or interested in DEI work. Here are some key takeaways and suggested next steps: Embrace Differences as Strengths: Rather than viewing differences in opinion, communication styles, or lived experiences as obstacles, recognize them as opportunities for learning and growth. Practice Thoughtful Inquiry: Cultivate the habit of asking questions to foster deeper dialogue and understanding across different perspectives. Explore the VUCA/VICA Framework: Reflect on the VUCA framework (Volatility, Uncertainty, Complexity, Ambiguity) and consider reframing it as VICA (Vision, Understanding, Clarity, Agility) to navigate challenging times with a more proactive and positive mindset. Cultivate Cultural Humility: Research and actively practice cultural humility in both personal and professional interactions. Remember that cultural humility is a lifelong process of self-reflection and learning. Take the time to look up the origins of the cultural humility framework, which was developed by two women of color in the healthcare space, to gain a deeper understanding of its context and significance. Maintain Hope and Positive Energy: Acknowledge the challenges inherent in DEI work but consciously strive to maintain hope and positive energy to sustain long-term engagement and impact. Champion Community and Collaboration: Recognize that DEI is a collective endeavor. Actively seek opportunities to collaborate, support, and uplift others in this work. Be mindful of creating "intentional communities of practice" where individuals can learn and grow together. Value Diverse Communication Styles: Understand that individuals learn and communicate in different ways. Be patient and use varied approaches, such as prompts and questions, to facilitate learning and reflection. Extend Support and Speak Up Mindfully: For women and marginalized individuals, share your perspectives and support others in speaking up, while always prioritizing your own safety and well-being. The conversation between Dr. Nika White and Diya Khanna served as a powerful reminder that the journey towards a more diverse, equitable, and inclusive world is not a solitary one. By embracing our differences, fostering genuine collaboration, and centering on our shared humanity, we can indeed be "stronger together" in the vital work that lies ahead. Intentional Conversations is a weekly podcast by Nika White Consulting that intersects diversity, equity, and inclusion dialogue with leadership and business. Click here to register to attend the live sessions each Friday from 11 a.m. to 12 noon EST. You may also search archives to view replays of past episodes, or you can listen to the Intentional Conversations Podcast on your favorite platform.
Photo Credit: University of South Carolina March is a whirlwind. Women's History Month collides with the fever pitch of March Madness, creating a powerful intersection of celebration and competition. For me, and for many Gamecocks faithful, this month is synonymous with one name: Dawn Staley. As a proud alumna of the University of South Carolina, my connection to Coach Staley runs deeper than just cheering from the stands. It’s a connection rooted in the shared experience of navigating a complex history, a history that, frankly, hasn't always been kind. South Carolina, with its legacy of leading the charge for secession and its wealth built on the backs of enslaved people, carries a heavy burden. Even today, the echoes of racism persist, a stark reminder that the fight for equality is far from over. It was only in 1963 that Henrie Monteith Treadwell and two other brave students desegregated the university, a testament to the long road we’ve traveled. And then there's Dawn Staley. When she arrived in Columbia, South Carolina, she didn't just coach basketball; she ignited a movement. She didn't just build a team; she built a legacy. She didn't just win championships; she shifted the very narrative of women's basketball. Coach Staley's "uncommon favor" isn't just about winning games. It's about using her platform to amplify the voices of Black women, demand equity, and champion racial justice. She understands the power of representation and the importance of seeing yourself reflected in positions of leadership and excellence. She’s turned the Gamecocks into a powerhouse, a symbol of pride not just for the university but for the entire state, and especially for Black women who often felt unseen. Think about the impact. Before Dawn Staley, women's basketball, while respected, didn't command the same national attention. Now, packed arenas, record-breaking viewership, and palpable excitement surround the sport. She painted a vision and told a story of excellence and possibility, and people listened. They believed. That's the power of storytelling. It's the power of crafting a narrative that resonates, inspires, and drives change. It's the power of connecting on an emotional level, building bridges, and fostering understanding. Businesses can leverage this power to create a more engaged, inclusive, and impactful workplace. At Nika White Consulting, we understand storytelling's transformative potential. We've developed a comprehensive Storytelling Culture Framework, a methodology designed to embed storytelling into your organization's DNA. Our framework focuses on: Enhancing Employee Engagement: Using stories to build emotional connections and foster a sense of belonging. Strengthening Organizational Identity: Crafting narratives that align with your mission and values. Fostering Leadership and Collaboration: Equipping leaders with the skills to inspire and build trust. Driving Inclusion and Representation: Providing a platform for diverse voices to be heard. Supporting Change Management: Using stories to navigate transitions and ensure buy-in. Just as Coach Staley used her platform to change the narrative of women's basketball, your organization can use storytelling to create a culture of connection, empathy, and shared purpose. Imagine a workplace where employees feel deeply connected to their work, where diverse voices are celebrated, and where leaders inspire with authenticity. That's the power of a storytelling culture. Let Nika White Consulting help you unlock that potential. Just as Dawn Staley has shown us the power of a compelling narrative, we can help you craft yours. Let's build a future where every voice is heard and every story matters.
In a recent insightful conversation featuring Dr. Nika White, Paige Robnett , and Ernesto Aguilar , a powerful theme emerged: trust is the currency of change. This discussion delved into the complex journey of creating healthy and fair teams, highlighting the critical role of trust in navigating the inevitable challenges of organizational transformation and doing so by leveraging high-performing DEI Councils. The Non-Linear Path to Change: We often envision change as a straight line, but the reality, as the speakers emphasized, is far from linear. Organizations resistant to change display telltale signs: burnout, anxious leadership, and widespread exhaustion. Proactive cultural shifts, however, pave the way for progress. Strategic Culture Change: A Possibility: The goal is to be strategic about culture change. This requires a conscious effort, not a reactive approach. When organizations think strategically, their actions become more impactful, leading to meaningful outcomes. Trust: The Through Line: The conversation consistently returned to the importance of trust. To cultivate trust, organizations must: Empower those with the most power: Change must be driven from the top. Build mature trust systems: This includes transparent communication, active participation, and genuine gratitude. Recognize and support volunteers: Whether volunteers or "volunteer-told," their efforts deserve recognition and, ideally, budgetary support. Structure and Systems: The Foundation of Trust in DEI Councils: Robust systems are crucial for maintaining and growing trust. This includes: Onboarding and offboarding processes. Succession planning. Clear rules of engagement and community norms. Mechanisms for navigating diverse perspectives. DEI Councils: Canaries in the Coal Mine: DEI councils play a vital role in signalling organizational health. However, they should not be overburdened or mistaken for HR departments. Key factors for their success include: Clear charters: Defining purpose, responsibilities, and time commitments. Executive leadership support: Active engagement and buy-in. Strategic focus: Prioritizing impactful initiatives over numerous activities. Clear communication: Setting expectations and providing regular feedback. Proper resourcing: Mature organizations provide the required resources. Power and Authority: DEI councils need real power to enact change. Professional Development: upskilling team members. Effective Communication Strategies: Communication strategies must be developed well before council members are appointed. Resistance often stems from a lack of clarity. Organizations must address the "little behaviors" that hinder participation. Recruitment strategies should reflect a commitment to DEI. Building Relationships and Holding Space: Creating opportunities for relationship-building through storytelling and curiosity is essential. Genuine curiosity and active listening are vital for fostering trust. Key Takeaways and Next Steps: The discussion highlighted the need for organizations to: Utilize resources like the DEI Council resource guide. Develop clear communication strategies for DEI council roles. Create charters for DEI councils. Foster active executive leadership support. Provide professional development opportunities for council members. Focus on strategic, impactful initiatives. Establish clear reporting structures. Implement regular communication and feedback loops. The Impact of Small Interactions: Ernesto Aguilar's personal story underscored the profound impact of seemingly small interactions. Public media transformed his life, demonstrating how even brief encounters can set individuals on unexpected and fulfilling paths. Final Thoughts: Creating healthy and fair teams is an ongoing journey that requires commitment, strategic thinking, and trust. Organizations can cultivate cultures where everyone feels valued and empowered by prioritizing trust-building and implementing robust systems. Remember that even if the impact is not immediately visible, the work being done is still important. Intentional Conversations is a weekly podcast by Nika White Consulting that intersects diversity, equity, and inclusion dialogue with leadership and business. Click here to register to attend the live sessions each Friday from 11 a.m. to 12 noon EST. You may also search archives to view replays of past episodes, or you can listen to the Intentional Conversations Podcast on your favorite platform.
Dr. Nika White recently engaged in a thought-provoking "Intentional Conversation" with Naaima Khan , a seasoned consultant and strategist dedicated to advancing racial and economic equity. Naaima, the founder of Create Good Consulting, brings over 15 years of experience to her work, focusing on equity-centered strategic advising, impact assessment, and facilitation. The Intentionality Behind "Create Good" Naaima's "Create Good" choice for her consulting firm's name was deeply intentional. I nitially, she considered names like "Create Justice" or "Create Bold," but ultimately settled on "good" due to its universality and the Arabic concept of "qayr." Qayr: This concept emphasizes that good can be done in any situation, regardless of scale. Naaima believes that consistent small steps accumulate over time, leading to meaningful change. Universality: "Good" is subjective, allowing individuals to define it according to their values. Naaima appreciates this flexibility, recognizing that her definition of good may differ from others. Principles Rooted in Abundance, Asset-Based Thinking, and Authenticity Naaima's work is guided by principles of abundance, asset-based thinking, and authenticity. Abundance: In a world often driven by scarcity, Naaima chooses to operate from a place of abundance. She believes there is enough work for everyone and emphasizes supporting fellow businesses. This mindset fosters collaboration and recognizes the inherent value of each individual. Asset-Based Thinking: Drawing from her experience in philanthropy, Naaima observed a tendency to frame community needs in negative terms. She advocates for asset-based thinking, which acknowledges challenges while highlighting the strengths, creativity, and resources within communities. This approach aims to counter dehumanization and empower communities to define their narratives. Authenticity: Naaima also mentioned that all of these values are aspirational and that she is constantly working on them herself. Intersecting Communities and Anti-Colonialism Naaima's approach to equity work is deeply informed by her intersecting communities and an anti-colonial perspective. Intersecting Communities: Rather than focusing solely on individual identities, Naaima emphasizes the importance of communities. As a Muslim woman of South Asian descent, she recognizes the influence of these communities on her worldview and work. Anti-Colonialism: Naaima views anti-colonialism as challenging imperialism and its associated values. She critiques Eurocentric models that prioritize rugged individualism, self-interest, and competition. Instead, she advocates for collectivism, interdependence, and community well-being. Neoliberalism: She ties the idea of colonialism to neoliberalism, saying that neoliberalism is a set of values that justify and reinforce colonial systems. Challenging Eurocentric Models Naaima believes it's essential to challenge Eurocentric models in equity work. Values-Driven Approach: She encourages organizations to articulate their values and align their equity work with those values. This serves as a filter for strategic decision-making. Power Analysis and Root Cause Analysis: She advocates for conducting power and root cause analyses filtered by values. Accountability and Measurement: She stresses the importance of measuring indicators and results, ensuring accountability to the community. Efficacy Argument: She points out that there is both a moral and efficacy argument for justice-oriented work. Measuring results ensures that progress is being made. Key Takeaways: "Create Good" emphasizes the power of consistent small steps in driving change. Asset-based thinking and abundance mindsets are crucial for empowering communities. Challenging Eurocentric models and embracing collectivism are essential for advancing equity. Values alignment and accountability are key to effective equity work. Intentional Conversations is a weekly podcast by Nika White Consulting that intersects diversity, equity, and inclusion dialogue with leadership and business. Click here to register to attend the live sessions each Friday from 11 a.m. to 12 noon EST. You may also search archives to view replays of past episodes, or you can listen to the Intentional Conversations Podcast on your favorite platform.
Dr. Nika White recently hosted an insightful conversation on her "Intentional Conversations" platform with Janet Stovall , a global chief diversity officer, consultant, speaker, and author. Janet's work focuses on helping businesses dismantle systemic inequities and unlock the true value of diversity. With three million views on her TED Talks and a wealth of experience, Janet shared her unique perspective on the role of businesses in driving meaningful change. Why Business? Janet firmly believes that businesses are uniquely positioned to dismantle systemic inequities because they're the only sector left with the power and incentive to do so. While governments struggle with bureaucracy and a lack of urgency, businesses respond to economic realities. "Money talks," Janet asserts, and when the bottom line demonstrates that DEI matters, companies act. Uncovering the True Value of Diversity Janet shared a powerful example of how she helped a major pharmaceutical company's African-American Business Resource Group (BRG) become more relevant and impactful. By guiding them through her "in-demand" model, she helped them identify their unique value proposition. The Challenge: The BRG felt underutilized and wanted to contribute more meaningfully. The Solution: Janet facilitated a process where the group analyzed the company's products (HIV drugs) and the demographics most affected (heterosexual Black women). The Outcome: The BRG presented innovative ideas to the CEO, which were implemented and generated millions of dollars for the company. This demonstrated how leveraging unique identities can drive business success. The Power of Inclusion Janet's TED Talks, viewed by millions, emphasize the crucial distinction between diversity and inclusion. "Companies can mandate diversity, but they must cultivate inclusion," she states. For Janet, inclusion is about behavior, not just feelings. She advocates for defining inclusion in terms of what it allows people to contribute, particularly from their unique lived experiences. Defining Inclusion: Janet stresses that there is no universal definition. Each organization must define inclusion relative to its own context. She uses a "Brandy Melville to Ben and Jerry's continuum" to illustrate how vastly different inclusion can look in different company cultures. Actionable Steps: She emphasizes that inclusion is actionable through behavior. "Diversity is not a problem to solve. Diversity solves problems. Inclusion is not feeling valued. Inclusion is being able to deliver value. And equity is not fair people. Equity is fair systems.” Navigating Public Communication on DEI In her book, "The Conscious Communication: The Fine Art of Not Saying Stupid Shit," co-authored with Kim Clark, Janet outlines key strategies for deciding whether to communicate publicly about DEI or social justice issues. She developed a "DEPTH" model: Deliberate: Is there a good reason for saying it? Educated: Do you know everything you need to know about it? Purposeful: Does it align with your values? Tailored: Does it align with your unique abilities? Habitual: Will you say it again? This model helps individuals and organizations ensure their communication is thoughtful and impactful. Evolving Perspectives Janet's journey has been shaped by pivotal moments and a deep understanding of systemic inequities. She identifies as a "desegregationist," focusing on moving the "big rock first" and prioritizing those most harmed. Her upcoming book, "Now What?" delves into the archetypes of individuals in DEI work and how to navigate different organizational environments. Key Takeaways: Businesses have a critical role in dismantling systemic inequities. Inclusion is about behavior and creating environments where everyone can contribute. Strategic communication is essential for advancing DEI. Understanding one's own role, and the environment they are in, are crucial to creating change. Janet Stovall's insights provide a valuable framework for individuals and organizations committed to creating a more equitable and inclusive future. Intentional Conversations is a weekly podcast by Nika White Consulting that intersects diversity, equity, and inclusion dialogue with leadership and business. Click here to register to attend the live sessions each Friday from 11 a.m. to 12 noon EST. You may also search archives to view replays of past episodes, or you can listen to the Intentional Conversations Podcast on your favorite platform.
